2014 State of Origin

Discussion in 'The Cesspit: Rugby League Discussion' started by KimmorleyKiller, Jul 17, 2013.

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  1. Benny BS Read

    I actually agree with Wilson. The outside men where too deep to hit a flat cut out and also too flat to be a 2nd option out the back. Unless you wanted a floated cut out directly to the winger tbf.
     
    Benny, Oct 16, 2013
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  2. Maroon_Faithful M Faithful

    That is a still shot. They would've gained a yard or two whilst the ball was in flight. If anything they're nearly in perfect position to hit a cut-out at speed. There's no chance of a forward pass. As long as Inglis got the ball to Nielsen or Boyd they score. Morris is 15m in-field for Christ's sake and was heading further in.

    Too deep would be if they were on the 20. Seems fairly elementary to me that Inglis had a 2 on nothing overlap and took the wrong option. I respect Wilson's opinion but I don't really see how that is even arguable. They were way too deep to be in the play? I mean come on. They're 4m behind him ffs. I love Inglis and thought he played superbly at the back but the cunt had no idea all night when it came to throwing the long ball.
     
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    Maroon_Faithful, Oct 16, 2013
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  3. Sultan Pepper HG Emm

    Yeah I don't think he'd be anywhere near up to it (not as bad as King though)
     
    Sultan Pepper, Oct 16, 2013
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  4. Magic AJ Parker

    I thought some of his defence in the Grand Final was immense, came up with some really strong tackles right throughout the game.

    I'm not convinced he's a princess but I do think he's a little lightweight for a prop and it's more noticeable against the stronger defensive sides. He sort of shys away from the direct contact from a hitup and in an attempt to make more metres starts making angled runs which could portray him as a bit of a cat. Assuming that's what you're talking about...

    Jason King is just a marshmallow.
     
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    Magic, Oct 16, 2013
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  5. Cribbage RG Cribb

    Yeah I actually think he'd be more suited to a short stint at lock than anything else - he's really mobile for a big man, both tight and bruising in defence and can utilise his footwork up the middle. He'd be a pretty typical modern lock if he had greater endurance. If he ever started an Origin game he would get absolutely belted, but with Queensland's play of introducing greater mobility as the game goes on I think he could be a useful bench prop.
     
    Cribbage, Oct 16, 2013
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  6. Maroon_Faithful M Faithful

    He'd have to be one of the lightest props in the game at 102kg, lending weight (terrible pun, I know) to the notion that he could play lock. I'd be interested to see what his workrate at club level would be like if moved there.
     
    Maroon_Faithful, Oct 16, 2013
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  7. jazman84 JM Eightyfour

    They are in pretty much the perfect position to receive a bum-ball from a flat attacking raid.

    Parker's line is spot on to attract the defenders, with the pass being delivered just behind him to Nielsen who either:
    Goes for the corner.
    Drifts wide and brings Boyd under him.
    Draw and pass.
    Throw the dummy or step/crash between the centre and wing.
    Take the takle, and offload to the winger.

    After Locky's retirement, our attack has become much flatter than it was when he was at 6. This formation is one of our standard plays now.
     
    jazman84, Oct 16, 2013
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  8. Julian BJ Taylor

    Was brilliant in 2013. Don't see him being suitable for origin at all.
     
    Julian, Oct 16, 2013
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  9. Wilson SB Wilson

    I never said they were too deep to be in the play, don't twist my words mate.

    For a true cut out ball that would have been what you were after they would have had to been a hell of a lot more flat then they were.
     
    Wilson, Oct 16, 2013
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  10. jazman84 JM Eightyfour

    Not if the ball player is going to pass behind the decoy.
     
    jazman84, Oct 16, 2013
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  11. jazman84 JM Eightyfour

    The best thing about Parker's offloading is how he rarely delivers a loose one. Other cunts who are offload heroes normally are only successful 2 out of every 3.
     
    jazman84, Oct 16, 2013
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  12. Maroon_Faithful M Faithful

    Fair enough. Strike that last part.

    What do you mean a "true" cut-out. Are you saying that if Inglis had got the ball to them, be they 3m too deep or whatever you think they were, that they wouldn't have scored when Morris was the only man there and he was already out of position and would've had to turn and chase? Or are you saying the cut-out was never an option to begin with?

    I just really don't see either of those. To me, any sort of pass be it a bullet cut-out or a floater, and QLD still score. I just don't get how you can say they were in the play but Inglis wasn't at fault for not getting it to them when they were in 15m of open space with no one in front of them. You can see them pick up an extra half a metre or metre just from the half-second difference between the two shots. If Inglis throws the pass, even if you think they're metres behind where they should've been, Nielsen still scores untouched IMO.

    Or are you saying he is to blame, just not for not throwing a cut-out? That he should've thrown a different pass or put in a kick? I could sort of understand that and we would simply disagree about what he should've done. Or do you maintain that Parker was at fault as Alec said?
     
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    Maroon_Faithful, Oct 16, 2013
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  13. Wilson SB Wilson

    Mate check the first shot where he is about to pass. No bum ball can be executed there.
     
    Wilson, Oct 17, 2013
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  14. Wilson SB Wilson

    I don't agree with that if he threw a cut out Darius goes over in the corner. I believe Inglis made the right decision with how that certain structure played out.

    With how deep they are, Morris still has a play at Nielson or Boyd if it goes that far. Try would have been scored still.
     
    Wilson, Oct 17, 2013
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  15. jazman84 JM Eightyfour

    Double-pump and allow Parker to overrun it, then pass behind him.
     
    jazman84, Oct 17, 2013
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  16. Maroon_Faithful M Faithful

    I think you're making a bit too much out of them being half a yard too deep. I know what Johns would've done in that situation.
     
    Maroon_Faithful, Oct 17, 2013
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  17. Cribbage RG Cribb

    I think it should've just gone straight through the hands tbh. Parker was running a good outside-in line but a more natural modern second rower would've stepped back off the right foot, drawn the centre and passed outside when he got the pill, or at least just stopped and shovelled. I don't think Inglis gave Parker the ball so he could continue running outside-in and offload back inside...
     
    Cribbage, Oct 17, 2013
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  18. Maroon_Faithful M Faithful

    Then Inglis shouldn't have gone to the line and waited until the last minute to pass. You can't put that on Parker.
     
    Maroon_Faithful, Oct 17, 2013
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  19. Maroon_Faithful M Faithful

    If the cut-out isn't on in this 4 on 2 then I'll deadset give it away. Even if Morris sets upon Nielsen immediately, it's still a two-on-one. Why is Parker to blame for not summing up the situation when it's Inglis, the fullback, whose job that is in the first place?
     
    Maroon_Faithful, Oct 17, 2013
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  20. Magic AJ Parker

    The cut out pass is on, it just needed to be correctly weighted.

    Ala Mini's Hail Mary in the Grand Final.

    I've previously posted on here that for such an elite player his ability to ball play really is quite amazingly woeful, he seems to just struggle summing up the most basic situations and picking the right pass. He bombs so many tries for Souths on a regular basis, it's my biggest criticism of him.
     
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    Magic, Oct 17, 2013
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