Round 15 - Cyclones v Stingrays at The B.O.M. (completed)

Discussion in 'Season 11 Archive' started by Cribbage, May 30, 2012.

  1. Eds E Ames

    *sigh*
     
  2. Verigoat S Verigotta

    Lolclones
     
  3. Skippos SM Morgan

    I'm not into developing young players - I pick the best team, something you guys do not.

    Humble against the Cyclones reserves.

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    Humble                  12     0   82   0    3  0
    0/82 off 12.

    You tell me he's a better choice?
     
  4. Eds E Ames

    I'm sure this fills all the Fangs out there with lots of hope.

    And also, disagree that we don't always select our best side. We do. We just rate longevity higher than you, obviously.
     
    Last edited: Jun 1, 2012
  5. Skippos SM Morgan

    The thing is though.

    10 game career in BS averaging 25
    100 game career in BS averaging 25.

    Saders logic says the 100 gamer is the better choice.

    It's not longevity you overrate, it's 'experience'/'amount of games played'

    Guys like Noir have played a lot, but really, never been good.

    You're kidding yourself if he's better than Warrington or any of the other young knights.

    I'll clarify - I'm all for the development of the young lads, I just do not believe that your approach is the correct one for doing so - they can still get a taste of BS if worthy and not fuck up their whole career ffs. And that's all they get, a taste, as they're only coming in for injury.
     
  6. Skippos SM Morgan

    Using your logic Eds, if I go down next week you'd be selecting Berkuta to come in (let's assume Lee wasn't BS quality for the purpose of the argument). I disagree, I'd be selecting one of the younger lads.
     
  7. loganb JEM Logan

    Also, gun work from Veza in the first innings with the bat.
     
  8. Eds E Ames

    Of course someone averaging the same over a longer amount of time in the same competition is better, ffs. I don't see how you can even think otherwise.
     
  9. Baxter MJ Deane

    Wouldn't say longevity. Just Skippos puts more emphasis on recent form.
     
  10. HeathDavisSpeed HT Davis

    Being promoted too soon used to really fuck over rookies. It doesn't seem to be the case so much now - maybe due to the changes to activity rankings or possibly more teams in bs diluting the standard a little? I have to profess that I'd probably veer more towards skippos' thoughts on this one as things stand ATM.
     
  11. Eds E Ames

    No, I wouldn't. It's important to get the right mix between developing the youngsters and actually forgoing short-term results. I think we've got that mix pretty much right.
     
  12. Skippos SM Morgan

    career progression.

    if someone's played 100 games, chances are, they've grown, they've peaked and declined.

    Take Berkuta.

    His average in BS is 40 - do you believe he'll average 40 if played tomorrow? nah.
    At the start of the season, Berkuta and my averages were about equal. Would you play Berkuta ahead of me for round one then?

    This, essentially.

    I don't believe one or two games in BS fucks over rookies any more - and even if it did, we're supposed to name our best side. It doesn't happen from every team however.
     
  13. Skippos SM Morgan

    the thing is - it's a rule that you name your best team. 'forgoing short-term results' shouldn't be a concept, as it means you're not naming what is the best team.

    Unless the best team encompasses future of the club, which I don't think it does - I believe it's for the game at hand.

    Also - you say you've got the right mix? is that mix 100% developing and forgoing the results? as implying it's a good mix means you've promoted youngsters occasionally, which you really haven't - Taylor, Warrington etc. have all been asking for the opportunity yet been passed over for perennial duds. The only exception really was gbagbo.
     
  14. Eds E Ames

    Obviously it's on a case by case basis. Just because someone has been playing a long time, doesn't mean they're poor.

    I always name what I believe is the best side (although Knights can vary with activity obviously). I don't appreciate the dig.
     
  15. Skippos SM Morgan

    So you're saying Noir isn't poor?

    2nd point - you believe noir is ahead of warrington in your best side, really? assume warringtons a seasoned player for the purposes of this please.
     
  16. Eds E Ames

    My point was that you can't afford to forgo short-term results, as obviously there are rules against it. If a young player is so obviously better than an older one, then the young player has to play (eg. your Berkuta situation). If we felt that Taylor or Warrington would do better in FC than the current performers there, they'd be there.

    And Gbagbo proves that we have got the right mix.
     
  17. Eds E Ames

    Noir's performed just as well with the bat in SC as Warrington and Taylor, this season. Based on this, and the fact that Noir's done it for longer, he plays when that slot opens.
     
  18. Skippos SM Morgan

    using one example to prove a point that obviously requires more shocker.

    gbagbo isn't a microcosm of the saders policy though - he's one outlier (and I could argue you selected him as you doubt he'll be around so he won't ever be excellent enough to ruin a career, like mariner will be - but I won't.)
     
  19. HeathDavisSpeed HT Davis

    The flip side to skippos argument is that Dave has been a revelation for the Allstars since he was called up to replace Athlon. And he's not active at all. We could have picked Himann or downes, and on skippos assessment we should (?) have done, but they'll get their chance and i doubt they'd have outperformed Dave in some of those games. I mean, he's won matches for us this season.
     
  20. Skippos SM Morgan

    you dropped him as he was shit. he averaged 22.

    I don't see how that entitles him to a place over someone who's consistently performed in ALC.

    Noir's alc average = warringtons.

    Noir has played 3 games. Warrington more. Warrington's sample/proof of this being legit is better.

    Noir is proven shit when playing BS. Warrington not.

    It's very much like Humble v Veza. Humble's the proven shitcunt.

    I'm not attacking you, as I do like you, or your selection - I'm just saying you started this argument criticising me for 'ruining' youngsters, when really, anything else would contravene the rules and be to the club's detriment.
     

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