Adam Reynolds vs Luke Walsh

Discussion in 'The Cesspit: Rugby League Discussion' started by Jazz, Apr 9, 2013.

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Adam Reynolds vs. Luke Walsh

  1. Adam Reynolds

    47.1%
  2. Luke Walsh

    52.9%
  3. Equal

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  1. Jazz NC Smith

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    Some interesting statistics to consider too:

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    2012
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    </td> <td style="width:77.45pt;border-top:solid black 1.0pt; mso-border-top-themecolor:text1;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid black 1.0pt; mso-border-bottom-themecolor:text1;border-right:none;padding:0cm 5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt; height:15.0pt" nowrap="" valign="top" width="77"> Forced Restarts
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    27
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    3
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    8
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    17
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    1
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    28
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    294
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    85.09
    </td> </tr> <tr style="mso-yfti-irow:1;height:15.0pt"> <td style="width:77.1pt;border:none;padding:0cm 5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt; height:15.0pt" nowrap="" valign="top" width="77"> Luke Walsh
    </td> <td style="width:65.0pt;border:none;padding:0cm 5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt; height:15.0pt" nowrap="" valign="top" width="65">
    21
    </td> <td style="width:65.0pt;border:none;padding:0cm 5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt; height:15.0pt" nowrap="" valign="top" width="65">
    1
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    6
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    13
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    7
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    19
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    248
    </td> <td style="width:65.0pt;border:none;padding:0cm 5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt; height:15.0pt" nowrap="" valign="top" width="65"> 46/58
    </td> <td style="width:65.0pt;border:none;padding:0cm 5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt; height:15.0pt" nowrap="" valign="top" width="65">
    79.31
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    </td> <td style="width:65.0pt;border:none;background: silver;mso-background-themecolor:text1;mso-background-themetint:63; padding:0cm 5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt;height:15.0pt" nowrap="" valign="top" width="65">
    </td> <td style="width:84.45pt;border:none;background: silver;mso-background-themecolor:text1;mso-background-themetint:63; padding:0cm 5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt;height:15.0pt" nowrap="" valign="top" width="84">
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    </td> <td style="width:65.0pt;border:none;background: silver;mso-background-themecolor:text1;mso-background-themetint:63; padding:0cm 5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt;height:15.0pt" nowrap="" valign="top" width="65">
    </td> <td style="width:65.0pt;border:none;background: silver;mso-background-themecolor:text1;mso-background-themetint:63; padding:0cm 5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt;height:15.0pt" nowrap="" valign="top" width="65">
    </td> <td style="width:65.0pt;border:none;background: silver;mso-background-themecolor:text1;mso-background-themetint:63; padding:0cm 5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt;height:15.0pt" nowrap="" valign="top" width="65">
    </td> </tr> <tr style="mso-yfti-irow:3;height:15.0pt"> <td style="width:77.1pt;border:none;padding:0cm 5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt; height:15.0pt" nowrap="" valign="top" width="77">
    2013
    </td> <td style="width:65.0pt;border:none;padding:0cm 5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt; height:15.0pt" nowrap="" valign="top" width="65"> Games
    </td> <td style="width:65.0pt;border:none;padding:0cm 5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt; height:15.0pt" nowrap="" valign="top" width="65"> Tries
    </td> <td style="width:65.0pt;border:none;padding:0cm 5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt; height:15.0pt" nowrap="" valign="top" width="65"> Linebreaks
    </td> <td style="width:65.0pt;border:none;padding:0cm 5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt; height:15.0pt" nowrap="" valign="top" width="65"> Try Assists
    </td> <td style="width:84.45pt;border:none;padding:0cm 5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt; height:15.0pt" nowrap="" valign="top" width="84"> Linebreak Assists
    </td> <td style="width:77.45pt;border:none;padding:0cm 5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt; height:15.0pt" nowrap="" valign="top" width="77"> Forced Restarts
    </td> <td style="width:65.0pt;border:none;padding:0cm 5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt; height:15.0pt" nowrap="" valign="top" width="65"> Kicks in Play
    </td> <td style="width:65.0pt;border:none;padding:0cm 5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt; height:15.0pt" nowrap="" valign="top" width="65"> Conversions
    </td> <td style="width:65.0pt;border:none;padding:0cm 5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt; height:15.0pt" nowrap="" valign="top" width="65"> GK %
    </td> </tr> <tr style="mso-yfti-irow:4;height:15.0pt"> <td style="width:77.1pt;border:none;background: silver;mso-background-themecolor:text1;mso-background-themetint:63; padding:0cm 5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt;height:15.0pt" nowrap="" valign="top" width="77"> Adam Reynolds
    </td> <td style="width:65.0pt;border:none;background: silver;mso-background-themecolor:text1;mso-background-themetint:63; padding:0cm 5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt;height:15.0pt" nowrap="" valign="top" width="65">
    5
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    0
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    0
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    5
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    1
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    64
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    82.61
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    4
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    0
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    2
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    2
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    2
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    40
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    81.25
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  2. Julian BJ Taylor

    Lol at 1 line break assist all year.
     
  3. Jazz NC Smith

    A list of the halves who managed more LBA in 2012:

    Benji Marshall
    Johnathan Thurston
    Cooper Cronk
    Josh McCrone
    Mitchell Pearce
    Gareth Widdop
    Corey Norman
    Ben Hornby
    Jamie Soward
    Scott Prince
    Peter Wallace
    Todd Carney
    Ben Roberts
    Chris Sandow
    Travis Burns
    Josh Sutton
    Tyrone Roberts
    Kieran Foran
    Daly Cherry-Evans
    Luke Walsh
    Shaun Johnson
    Terry Campese
    Aiden Sezer
    Kris Keating
    Jarrod Mullen
    James Graham :ninja:
    Jeff Robson
    Braith Anasta
    Nathan Fien
    Carlos Tuimavave
    Harry Siejka
    Jordan Rankin
    Kurt Gidley
    Liam Foran
    Michael Morgan
    Sam Williams
     
  4. Incey BC Jacobs

    Reynolds is the lolz.
     
    Last edited: Apr 9, 2013
  5. Wilson SB Wilson

    Tuimavave had more assists? How many games did he play?
     
  6. Boobidy BJ Gemmell

    Corey Norman :lol:
     
  7. Wilson SB Wilson

    Can't believe Jeff Robson made that list. Fuck me.
     
  8. Jazz NC Smith

    4-5 games I think. Don't think I should have included Tuimavave though, thinking about it now I'm pretty sure he played fullback.

    There were some pretty surprising players in the list. In fact, if you expand it to all positions there are some 168 odd players with more linebreak assists, many of whom are awful.
     
  9. Mr Fourex MR Fourex

    Yes.....Peter Wallace certainly surprised.
     
  10. Toolman TR Man

    Not to mention it was behind a huge forward pack in a team that finished 3rd. How is that even possible?
     
  11. Sultan Pepper HG Emm

    Put Luke Walsh in the Souths 7 last year and his numbers at least double imo.
     
  12. Jazz NC Smith

    This is largely my thinking. Put any half in a team with good forward drive and a host of creative talents and they'll look significantly better.

    The fact that Adam Reynolds is being talked up as a potential Origin player while Luke Walsh is suiting up for Windsor just highlights how much fans and the media base their analysis of a player on the scorecard and a brief highlight package of each game. People watch Reynolds put in a few neat kicks, soak up whatever some commentator says and then go away and continue spouting that BS to other people.

    Even if you believe that Reynolds is a better player than Walsh you couldn't claim that the gap is very great. And it certainly isn't great enough to justify the disparate levels of praise they receive.
     
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  13. LukeTyson L Tyson

    LBA is the new fap stat for Cricsim.
     
  14. Cribbage RG Cribb

    Old news Tyson. It was the fap stat here in about 2009 ffs.
     
  15. LukeTyson L Tyson

    Try Assists is where its at... ffs.
     
  16. Cribbage RG Cribb

    I think both are important really. At the end of the day it doesn't really matter that much if you're providing the tries off the boot or by hand, but if you want to escape "second season syndrome" (which lets face it is just a flat earth explanation for opposition coaches analysing your game) and take your game to higher levels against better defensive structures then you're going to need to be more than a one trick pony.

    It's ironic in some ways that Walsh is being held up as the poor unheralded vision-gifted halfback given it wasn't that long ago Penrith finished in the top 4 with the largest percentage of tries off kicks in history. Walsh was the good organiser+genius short kicker.

    Reynolds's short kicking game is going to eventually be neutralised to an extent and he's going to need to have something else to his game when that happens. We certainly shouldn't be writing off the tries he's creating off his foot as much as we seem to be but it's an important observation all the same.
     
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  17. Maroon_Faithful M Faithful

    Even in that period, Walsh wasn't as miserly in the ball playing department. I mean Reynolds is fucking miserly to an extent I've rarely seen.
     
  18. LukeTyson L Tyson

    Yeah don't worry I agree with you, was just being a fuck.
     
  19. Flack SA Flack

    Would say if Walsh was playing for Souths he'd probably look pretty damn good. He's a bit better than Reynolds, just playing for a team that's much worse.
     
  20. Benny BS Read

    He doesn't need to create linebreaks when he has John Sutton and Greg Inglis as his primary receivers when attacking who demand early ball. Maguire 's structure just needs him to give them that service. work with luke to get the forwards through the first few and put a quality kick in to finish a set.

    He does that great and as long as he has dominant 6 and 1 around him he's ideal.
     

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