2020 State of Origin

Discussion in 'The Cesspit: Rugby League Discussion' started by Old Mate, Jul 10, 2019.

  1. Maroon_Faithful M Faithful

    I’d be much more inclined to put a current winger at centre and bring Thompson in.

    Ideally, we need the Jets to dismiss Holmes and get him back in the NRL, which is looking fairly likely, from what I’ve read.
  2. Magic AJ Parker

    Quite realistically we could run out with a new halves pairing again in Game 1 if Maloney jets off overseas.

    Poor selections will prove the be Qlds greatest equaliser again next year.

    I could genuinely see;

    6. Cleary
    7. Pearce
  3. Boobidy BJ Gemmell

    Best case scenario is Holmes and Folau in the NRL next year.
  4. Magic AJ Parker

    I've got more chance of playing in the NRL than Folau.
  5. Boobidy BJ Gemmell

    It's so insane that all he does is share a bible quote, and he is worse than a woman basher
  6. Maroon_Faithful M Faithful

    Picking players like Wighton over Mitchell will certainly help. lol
  7. Boobidy BJ Gemmell

    Don't change a winning side. Should definitely not pick Mitchell again.
  8. Maroon_Faithful M Faithful

    I'm praying that's Fittler's moronic logic too.
  9. Cribbage RG Cribb

    He changed a winning side plenty after last year.
  10. AVA T Delonge

    Yeah if anything Fittler has shown that he is a form junkie for a decent amount of his selections.
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  11. Maroon_Faithful M Faithful

    The fact that people convicted of domestic violence have been allowed back in the NRL doesn’t mean the decision to refuse Folau is wrong. Fuck that bigoted moron. Sharing a bible quote is a nice euphemism btw.
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  12. Lukic L Popovic

    Disagree. If you're gay just ignore him. His beliefs generally are incompatible with your life, why take offence when he brings the point up.

    It's kind of like the reverse of the gay marriage argument where people argued that Christians should accept it since it's not a religious marriage, but only a legal one and hence doesn't go against traditional views on marriage.

    Here this guy believes in something that you clearly don't so why are you getting so worked up by him being vocal about his opinion when you fundamentally disagree.
  13. Maroon_Faithful M Faithful

    I don’t particularly give a shit but I don’t want him in the NRL if he’s going to severely damage the game.

    Im also not interested in the media’s framing of this as a ‘gay’ issue. He condemned atheists and others as well. Fuck him. This is not a free speech issue either. He can say whatever he likes, but he will not be employed by our game or supported by its fans.

    You’re right in one sense though; we should all ignore it. Just make sure you hold to that principle if he starts tweeting about a Serbian genocide and how orthodox christians should all convert to Pentecostalism or burn in hell.
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  14. Boobidy BJ Gemmell

    You’re wrong though. He would be supported by the games fans, especially the Islander fans who are very Christian.
  15. jazman84 JM Eightyfour

    He condemned drunks too!

    I don't care tbh, he's a good footballer. I want to see him play.
  16. morgieb MC Burridge

    If anything the backlash from allowing people convicted of domestic violence back in the game means that Folau's path back to the game looks a lot harder.
  17. Toolman TR Man

    The NRL supports a literal war cry, the same one that was issued before they slaughtered poor, innocent christians. If maoris can do that.. why can't the muslims do a war chant praising allah and imitating cutting a throat (as the maoris do) before games? If they can do that, why can't the Aus side bring out fake muskets and pretend to shoot the maoris next time they do their war cry?

    The reason why is because we don't get offended by it and cry, but if the Aus team did that then they would get offended by it and cry. Just like gays cry, whereas the other people he offended in that post don't. Is that really a standard that we should make decisions by? Instagram is still a private company but soon those things will be considered a public forum, and when they are then that is part of your personal life and you should be able to say whatever you want. Private companies you work for will still fire you, but they should have to look for some random other excuse to do so because you should be protected by free speech laws. His instagram is part of his personal life, it has no connection to the nrl or rugby union body. Just like if people don't like what he says in his own house and can choose to leave, if people don't like what he says in his virtual home, they can simply leave.

    Only inciting violence isn't protected under free speech. Which means even then the maori war cry would have to be banned... but it isn't.
  18. Maroon_Faithful M Faithful

    Not true. They're just the most vocal.

    This isn't even really about free speech. He's not being prosecuted for a crime. He has the right to say what he likes. And his employer has the right to sack him if what he says damages their brand. It is a perfectly reasonable decision made by a corporate body protecting its public reputation and holding him to the standards laid out plainly in his contract.

    Absolute bullshit. He posted on a well known social media platform. How the fuck is that akin to a private conversation in his own home? The whole point of a public profile is to, you know, make your thoughts public...fmd.

    Moral idiocy of the highest order. A war cry is not incitement to violence ffs. It is a commemorative act in the same way we honour our ANZAC soldiers.
  19. Toolman TR Man

    yeah that's what i just said? they cry whilst the others barely do so.

    contracts have to abide by the law. you should not be able to regulate someone's free speech in their personal lives. when they are representing the brand they can't say such things. outside of it they should be allowed. his ig is his personal social media, he should be free to say whatever he wants on there. i know he isn't atm but those laws should change.

    A public forum has free speech laws (so long as you abide by other laws like noise pollution or whatever). You can go to a public space and say whatever you like. It has been like that since the greeks had the agora, it is the foundation of our society.

    a war cry is not an incitement to violence? lmao. we don't honour anzacs with war cries, it's not even close to the same. i gave you a perfect example with muslims, throat cutting and allah. we all know that we would not be approved by the NRL yet is the exact same thing the maoris are doing.
  20. Maroon_Faithful M Faithful

    Well not to quibble but you said they don't at all.

    By that standard you would make it illegal for the commonwealth bank to fire their ceo who decided to go all over twitter saying ANZ customers like to root pigs. Ridiculous. The idea that they should have to manufacture some other reason to protect their brand from gross financial and reputational damage is absurd.

    Yeah this is a common category error in these debates which I come across all the bloody time; people continually introducing erroneous arguments about free speech. He has free speech under the law. No agency of the state has attempted to prosecute him for what he's said. That is what free speech means. It does not mean you have the right to drag your employers through the mud and still keep your job. They have the right to fire him and he has the right to go on posting his disgusting opinions on his IG and Twitter. That is NOT censorship.

    Oh please. Where are the throngs of New Zealanders cutting people's throats up in the stands of football matches after the Haka? You fucking dimwit. What an insult to every Kiwi. There is no intention to incite violence, none of the people performing it act it out in reality and no person with an IQ above 65 would ever think it appropriate to do so.

    The sort of Muslims who make gestures about beheading people are the sort of fuckwits who generally don't mind it being done. Quite different, don't you think? And it's still a grey area as to whether that imitation alone constitutes incitement. it's dependent on many situational factors. That's not remotely the case with the haka.

    And as for the Anzac's, just remind me where the poppy comes from? I'll give you hint; it's from a poem called In Flander's Fields in which soldiers are admonished to take up the fight with their foe. That's the dignified, British equivalent to a war cry.

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