2013 National Provincial Championship (ITM Cup) Thread

Droos · Sep 26, 2013

Rego said: ↑

If Wellington maintain 1st it diminishes Cunterbury's chances.

Wellington: Home semi vs Counties (likely) > Canterbury: Possible home semi but vs Auckland

And Welly with a home final. Oh and the possibility of Jane playing.
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Agree with this.

Hurricane · Sep 26, 2013

BackFootPunch said: ↑

Seriously? Why, in a competition where points differential is an important aspect of separating tied teams, should they coast when they get a lead? It's in their best interests to give other teams a hiding.

It's like saying cricket teams in a dominant position in a game shouldn't worry about net run-rate.
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My bad.

Roaddogg · Sep 28, 2013

BackFootPunch said: ↑

Seriously? Why, in a competition where points differential is an important aspect of separating tied teams, should they coast when they get a lead? It's in their best interests to give other teams a hiding.

It's like saying cricket teams in a dominant position in a game shouldn't worry about net run-rate.
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yeah ive never understood why americans have such a problem with running up the score

Hurricane · Sep 28, 2013

We probably shouldn’t be all that surprised that Don Cherry would spend time on his intermission break show on CBC to chastise someone for beating up on the Toronto Maple Leafs. We probably also shouldn’t be surprised that he went after the Washington Capitals and Bruce Boudreau for “running up the score” against his beloved Leafs on Friday night’s contest.

The Capitals, led by Alex Ovechkin’s season-high five points, felled the Leafs by a final score of 6-1. For Cherry, however, it was all a sign of bad sportsmanship. Putting Ovie and Mike Green out on the power play was just too much for him to handle.

Cherry has gone after teams for “running up the score” before. Perhaps his most famous tirade came when he attacked the Canadian women’s team in 2006 during the Olympics. Cherry complained that the “Europeans” who run the Olympics would drop hockey because one country dominated too much.

The women didn’t take too kindly to Cherry’s comments, of course. Even Cassie Campbell, who now works for the CBC, wasn’t too keen on embracing his advice on not scoring too many goals.

Cherry has made no secret about his dislike of Europeans and some of the NHL’s flashier players. This goes hand in hand with his dislike of “running up the score,” as he considers that to be the antithesis of Canada’s “humble” attitude. In other words we’re to dominate physically and throw hits like nobody else while bragging about our greatness at the game, but we aren’t to actually score too much and prove that dominance within the rules of the game.

Cherry’s dislike of Ovechkin probably factored heavily into his comments on Saturday night. It’s no secret that he’s not a big fan of the flashy winger, but when does that dislike tarnish his reputation as an analyst of the game.

Theo Fleury deliberated this point in March of 2009 when he lambasted Cherry in the Calgary Herald. “The NHL wants more scoring. Does Don Cherry want to sell the game? No, it’s all about bashing the European players,” Fleury said. “I thought the object of the game was that the team that scores the most goals wins. I guess Don didn’t score too many goals in his day, so he has never experienced the feeling. Maybe he’s jealous.”

The Leafs didn’t appear to be crying about the Capitals’ “running up the score” in their post-game comments, either, as they are professionals who know that being blown out in embarrassing fashion is sometimes a part of the game.

“Ovechkin makes things happen,” said Leafs coach Ron Wilson. “If you play the game in a deer-in-the-headlights kind of mode against him, you’re probably going to get run over.”

“We gave him too much time and too much space,” said Jamal Mayers. “He’s one of the most dominant players in the league and if you give him that much time, he’s going to make a play, and we made him look good.”

When will Don Cherry accept that the nature of hockey has changed since he was a relatively unsuccessful player and a pretty mediocre coach? While there’s no questioning his passion for the game, one has to wonder if his zeal is as inclusive as it could be to hockey’s changing tide. Like stale Republicans in the United States, Cherry’s desire to hide behind an outmoded branch of hockey is starting to get embarrassing.

And more critics, like Fleury, are coming out of the woodwork. Canada’s hockey fans and players used to unite behind Cherry, but that, like the game itself, is undergoing the natural buckles of change.

While his criticism of the concept of “running up the score” has its merits in his promotion of humility, it seems to me that his preaching of the ideology of humbleness while wearing an obnoxious suit and advocating a violent, Wild West-ish code of “ethics” in hockey with a booming voice and an inability to listen to his “co-star” is starting to ring a little hollow.

There is a place in hockey for humility, to be sure. But Don Cherry simply doesn’t know where that place is anymore.
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Don carries on about not running up the score all the time. He drills it into the viewer. So I just accept it now as good etiquette.

HeathDavisSpeed · Sep 28, 2013

Wow. Auckland totally smashed Canterbury in the first half. They looked excellent tbh. The yellow card and the wind changed the game somewhat though. Was really hoping Auckland rammed home the advantage.

Rego · Sep 28, 2013

HeathDavisSpeed said: ↑

Wow. Auckland totally smashed Canterbury in the first half. They looked excellent tbh. The yellow card and the wind changed the game somewhat though. Was really hoping Auckland rammed home the advantage.
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I hate Auckland as much as the next guy but that all goes down the drain when Cunterbury are playing them.

Superb defence from Auckland in the first, absolutely gave it to Canterbury. Tad disappointing they didn't ran away with it more in the second but hey, they beat Canterbury so who cares.

Nick Bryant needs to stop going for the cards though ffs. Absolute bullshit.

Inb4 Cuntab fans blame it on Canterbury playing an unchallenging mid week game

Rego · Oct 1, 2013

Cory Jane and Alapati Leiua are back!!!!

They'll play against Auckland this weekend, not sure if they'll start tbh.

Fuck this is huge. Wellington's year.

HeathDavisSpeed · Oct 2, 2013

Tasman giving Waikato a hiding at the moment.

HeathDavisSpeed · Oct 2, 2013

Waikato in absolute disarray.

Hurricane · Oct 2, 2013

This is most shame I have felt as a waikato fan ever. We look like a heartland side out there. Our hooker seems to be the only guy who can tackle.

Hurricane · Oct 2, 2013

Our 7 in particular is gash (trademark CW)

HeathDavisSpeed · Oct 2, 2013

Hurricane said: ↑

This is most shame I have felt as a waikato fan ever. We look like a heartland side out there. Our hooker seems to be the only guy who can tackle.
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Agreed. This is an absolute shambles. Handling's been poor, decision making has been awful. Roll on the subs and hopefully they can do a bit better, aye?

HeathDavisSpeed · Oct 2, 2013

Nice bit of old school rucking there, and hard to say that Joe Wheeler didn't deserve it.

HeathDavisSpeed · Oct 2, 2013

That was a superb try by Tasman there. They really are a different team this season. Lovely stuff. (Not the last one, the one before by the Flanker, Liam Squire)

Love me a bit of Robbie Malneek too.

Hurricane · Oct 2, 2013

Tasman's 10 is very very serviceable for an ITM cupper and wouldn't be the worst 10 in the super 15 either. Tasman 12 is better than him though and he has shone the most for me.

HeathDavisSpeed · Oct 2, 2013

Hurricane said: ↑

Tasman's 10 is very very serviceable for an ITM cupper and wouldn't be the worst 10 in the super 15 either. Tasman 12 is better than him though and he has shone the most for me.
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#12 is Tom Marshall, aye? Well, he's played Super Rugby and is a decent player. Marty Banks (their #10) had big boots to fill in the form of Andrew Goodman, and every time I've watched Tasman this season he's played bloody well actually.

EDIT: Only about half a dozen games under Banks' belt too. Should only get better.

HeathDavisSpeed · Oct 2, 2013

Red card. Clearly didn't mean to do that IMO, but he did drive him into the ground. Pretty much a guaranteed red there, but no intent so hopefully no prolonged ban.

Waikato to get an undeserved air of respectability now. Totally undeserved, they've been very poor.

Hurricane · Oct 2, 2013

yes Tom Marshall - he's looking very smooth.

I actually made a bet Waikato wouldn't lose by more than 8 points. Really wasn't expecting this.

Hurricane · Oct 2, 2013

Bonus point try for mooloo.

HeathDavisSpeed · Oct 2, 2013

Fuck's sake ref. Letting far too much go - clearly the decoy runner in the way there. Ridiculous.

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