Is Aussie Rules football inherently racist?

Discussion in 'Aussie Rules Football Discussion' started by Mousey, May 9, 2013.

  1. Mousey AJ Son

    So I'm watching AFL360 and Robbo says he loves the reemergence of the small forward. He then says he often compares the trios of Carlton (Betts, Garlett and Yarran) and Geelong (Stokes, Motlop and Christensen).

    Now, obviously Betts and Garlett are small forwards and Yarran is back there, and Stokes is - but playing a high flanker role, but Motlop is playing more and more off halfback (and playing better there imo) and Christensen is a bona fide midfielder who may start or rest forward but his best footy is absolutely through the guts. Billie Smedts, maybe Jimmy Bartel, Paul Chapman (last year maybe, debatable this year), probably even Mitch Duncan play more as forwards.

    He then mentions Lindsay Thomas, Michael Walters, and Alwyn Davey, all genuine small forwards, but doesn't make note of Luke Breust, Mark LeCras (although injury explains this) or any other white small forwards.

    Do Aboriginal players too often get pidgeonholed into a certain player classification? Christensen is a hard ball winner, but the number of times the media compare him to Stokes (who is a flanker who plays mainly outside) is ridiculous. They're often called magical, and I know Adam Goodes has said he really dislikes this as it gives the impression indigenous players do not work hard.

    So, without really knowing it, are AFL fans and commentators racist? It seems to me that if you're indigenous you're often stereotyped as a player. What do you think? I'm I just a little more sensitive (for lack of a better word) or have you noticed this too?
     
  2. BoshtrichBurger BB Burger

    It's become ingrained into the media vernacular... Stereotyping for sure, and possibly accidental racism.
     
  3. Julian BJ Taylor

    do you not need to be a bit more naturally talented to play in the roles they're grouped in?
     
  4. Mousey AJ Son

    Yeah, their physical abilities and the style they play in indigenous communities helps them play these roles, but players who do not have these attributes are often put into the same category because they're Aboriginal.

    Allen Christensen, to continue with what I said in the OP, is an in and under player and is actually quite a solid lad (he actually turned up to the Draft Combine about 10kgs overweight) but it just assumed to be a small forward, when his skill set is completely different to most of the others.

    No doubt that a majority of indigenous players are small forwards, but those that aren't are sort of made out to be because of that imo.
     
  5. Jager LO Townsend

    The use of the word 'casual' is another subtly racist bit of wording that the commentators love when it comes to indigenous players.
     
  6. Jager LO Townsend

    For example, 2011 grand final - Varcoe contests a mark deep at half back. Ball spills out and goes forward for Geelong. He sprints 100m to kick the loose ball off the ground ("Varcoe, very casual...." says Hudson) then continues his sprint for another 60m where he roves Mitch Duncan and snaps a left foot goal from 25m out.

    "Varcoe casually kicks a left foot goal... to remember! He'll never forget it!"

    Nothing's casual about a 150m sprint with three touches of the footy.
     
  7. Skippos SM Morgan

    Yeah in the positional sense.

    However it's just a case of Robbo in this instance using the wrong words. The players he's describing aren't all 'small forwards' as such - but all share a common trait/role which is re-emerging.
     
  8. Skippos SM Morgan

    dwta.

    using casual just implies that they did something really fucking difficult and made it look so easy.

    Just the progression of words & their meanings in society.
     
  9. MatthewJay TA Miokovic

    Wouldn't say it's necessarily racist.

    But yeah, Abo players tend to get grouped together as "they". You can just sense the awkwardness when listening to bloke, especially Robbo.
     
  10. Julian BJ Taylor

    makes it look casual. it's not fucking raist at all.

    this tread defies belief. it's all about how easy they make it look because of how talented they are.
     
  11. Julian BJ Taylor

    nothing mentioned is even remotely racist.
     
  12. Jager LO Townsend

    It didn't look easy, it looked bloody hard.

    I'm not one to be saying everything is racist, I hate that mentality, but have a listen - everything indigenous players do is casual or magical. Makes a mockery of their hard work, as Goodes said
     
  13. Julian BJ Taylor

    or it complements their sublime skill.
     
  14. Mousey AJ Son

    Well yeah, it does, and that's the way it's intended to be taken, but the fact that an indigenous person has said it's not something they like says something.
     
  15. Julian BJ Taylor

    yeah it says that that individual doesn't like it
     
  16. Mousey AJ Son

    I think I'd take the word of an indigenous person over a non-indigenous person on the issue though.
     
  17. Cribbage RG Cribb

    It's lazy stereotyping but it's not actually racist. There has to be an element of negative discrimination present for something to be truly racist IMO. This is just another example of sports fans stereotyping players based upon their appearance rather than analysing their skill, because it's easier.

    A non-racial example would be people assuming John Wayne Hastings is a big, mean express bowler because he's built like a brick shithouse and constantly has a shitty look on his face, when in reality when he's medium pacer whose strengths lie in consistency, accuracy and planning. Most FC seamers who look like him have very different strengths to that so the lazy option is to take one look at him and stereotype him in such a way, rather than spending an afternoon watching him bowl. Aboriginal Aussie Rules players are stereotyped in a similar way; it's lazy, I'm sure it's annoying and it's race-related but I certainly wouldn't actually call it racist.
     
  18. Mousey AJ Son

    Good post, that's what the thread is about, debating this.

    It's not a deliberate thing, so I don't think it's racist as such, but I wasn't playing devil's advocate either, I do think it's a little bit offensive at times.
     
  19. Skippos SM Morgan

    yeah agreed. with cribb here too.

    If a player makes something hard look easy, it's casual. i.e. aforementioned varcoe instance - he's made it look easy as he's sprinted in to goal but, to the eye, he's coasting. it's fucking difficult, but i guarantee you it looks easier to varcoe than if it were hodge in the same situation.

    The fact is that often, indigenous players are quicker and more athletic. By extension, they're more capable in that facet, and due to that, them running at 20 ks an hour is a less % of their peak than a lot of white players. Obviously if you're running at 70% of peak you're going to make it look easier than running at 90%, despite the raw 'fact' we see on screen for the aboriginal 70% effort is the same as the white 90%

    they're just commenting on what they see.
     
  20. Skippos SM Morgan

    fact is though when I hear there's an indigenous player coming into the system I assume they're an excited speed machine. it's often true, but the fact I think it *is* stereotyping.

    Especially when cunts like Liam Jones exist who are typical sloths despite being aboriginal.
     

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