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lol, you can't compare ustasas to cetniks. The Ustasas killed close to a million Serbs, Jews, Romas etc and forcibly expelled people. They were the ones trying to create and ethnically pure state

The Cetniks simply wanted a Serbia reflective of history and ethnicity. A big difference, they never saught to remove people from the land, they just wanted to unite all Serb populated areas which happened to be Greater Serbia. You should know that the Muslims are Serbs who converted to Islam under Ottoman occupation and up until the last century always considered themselves Muslim Serbs. Krajina and Dalmatia have always been historically Serb and Serb populated. Always considered themselves Serbs too until the whole religion defines your ethnicity idea came along.

You're overrating the Cetnik collaboration.No doubt they did have a part in collaboration but Serbia was an occupied state. You might as well call everyone in Vichy France a nazi collaborator no, everyone under Axis occupation. The Nazis threatened to kill 100 Cetniks to every dead German soldiers, whether actually killed by Cetniks or Partisans. Of course they aren't going to openly oppose the Nazis and collaborate to an extent.
Not only that, but it's not like the Partisans were saints either. They were awful as well and killed many non-communist citizens.

They had the choice of siding with the communists, who were still going around and killing non-communist civilians and fight against the Nazis, who ultimately could've run them to the ground in days if they wanted to or side with the Nazis to an extent and try and salvage as much power as possible until the end of the war.

Explain to me this, why were there Cetniks from every ex-Yu ethnicity. Muslim cetniks, Croat cetniks, Macedonian, Slovene.. you get the point. Why were there Jew cetniks?

The vast majority of the deaths that came at the hands of the Cetniks were either agressive Ustasas or Partisans. My grandad has even told me about when the Ustasas came to his town and if not for the few Cetniks in the town, everyone would've been killed. Instead, only a few Serbs died, including his brother, as opposed to the 100 ustasas who were then killed.

Look, the Cetniks had their problems, sure, but to really compare them to the Nazis, Ustasa etc is a joke. Apples and oranges. Big difference between being forced to do something with the threat of anihilation and your own safety is the best interest, or doing something out of your ability and desire to do so.

 

Dire.

 

shit thread anyway. fuck this shit team

 

Right and who said the cetniks killed these muslims?

All this shit coming out of the woodworks 1990 and on.

 

Cetniks only killed muslims and croats because they're smart.

If somebody has a gun and they're going to shoot you in 10 seconds time, would you shoot them before the 10 secs is up. I would.

There's no justifying them sending Jews to camps and actually creating camps of their own, but saying all these muslims/croats that were killed were merely civilians is also a load of shit as well.

 

World against me bro. World against me.

 

Why would I?

The Ustasa at their peak would've had at least 200,000 members, if not more. The Cetniks, much, much less.

The Ustasa were formed with the sole goal of eliminating all Serbs on "Croat" land as well as moving non cooperating muslims. The Cetniks were formed to support the monarchy and initially oppose Nazi rule.

The Ustasa were forming before the war and had already planned what they were going to do well in advance. The Cetniks formed much more spontaneously.

The Ustasa had no soldiers fight until Cetnik/Partisan resistance. The Cetniks were resisting Nazi forces.

The Ustasa had self-determination and formed they're own government. They were largely in control of their land and whatever happened on it. The Cetniks held land, but were by no means an "official" government.

The Ustasa were located much closer to densely Serb populated areas than the Cetniks were to Croat/Muslim areas. Serbs live in both Bosnia and Croatia, but few muslims/croats live in serbia proper.

It's extremely likely that the Ustasa's murder/death counts w/e you want to call it are as high as stated, if not higher. Their full time operation and sole operation until the end of war was to clear Serb areas. Not only that, but these Serb areas were often the list militarized as they only killed Serbs from Bosnia/Croatia, rather than Serbia proper where the majority of trained Serb soldiers would've been due to the Invasions.

 

The others were nazi collaborationists and were out to kill them first. Strike first, sweep the leg.