Brisbane Broncos thread on how to lose a GI and a Lock and a semi final

Discussion in 'The Cesspit: Rugby League Discussion' started by Boobidy, Dec 27, 2011.

  1. Alec AD Funkotron

    I already told you why people preferred Norman at the time.

    Firstly, Hoffman was coming off a shocking 2012.
    Secondly, Norman could actually draw and pass.

    It's not because Broncos fans didn't rate Hoffman, it was purely because of those 2 reasons (95% the 2nd).
     
  2. Maroon_Faithful M Faithful

    Firstly, that was addressed to EWS. Secondly, yes, I know why you wanted him in terms of playing ability. I'm asking why EWS disagrees about picking for the long-term.
     
  3. Cribbage RG Cribb

    Yeah it's a bit different with me as you know because I wasn't blowing smoke up Hoffman's arse when everyone else was; I never really found him to be acceptable as a fullback.

    I genuinely despise your attitude about merely basing your team selections around a tactical launch at a premiership season, and treating entire seasons as warmups for future seasons. I hate it and if clubs really did do that all the time I would probably lose all interest in the NRL as a competition. You have a duty to the integrity of the competition, the other teams, the fans, the sponsors, everyone at the ground and everyone watching on TV to put out the best side you can.

    It would honestly be a dreadful competition if at the start of every year five teams decided they were genuine contenders and the rest said "Nah, we can't win this year, lets work on combinations for a tactical strike at the premiership three years down the track." So many games would become completely and utterly pointless; if the club bosses aren't taking those games seriously then how do you expect the players to put in or the fans to show up? Every NRL game is sacred and is a competition within itself. Winning each game every week is important, even if you don't think you're a genuine shot at winning the comp or making the eight or even avoiding the spoon. It's wholly defeatist to just assume you can't win the premiership in the first place, and even if you can't it's wholly disrespectful to the game to not see every game as its own sacred competition.

    I also think you have a duty to the players involved who actually do the right thing and let you know early that they won't be around next season. If Norman knew he was going to get dropped just for announcing that he was signing with the Eels then he would've just done the deal in secret and told the Broncos he didn't want to negotiate his contract until the end of the season. If his form held up and you wanted to keep him then you'd be saving cap space the entire time only for him to tell you the day after the season was over that he was fucking off. If you screw players over the moment they say they're leaving then that's what they'll do; they'll screw you back. Instead he trusted that it wouldn't count against him if he did the right thing and his form held up, so he let the Broncos know well in advance he was gong. In the end Norman was dropped because his performances were sub-standard and that's fair enough but his contract with the Eels should have nothing to do with it AFAIC.

    Picking project players you think need NRL exposure before they show their ability is a different matter of course but leaving blokes out merely because they're leaving or retiring this season or next season or before whenever you think you can win a premiership or is just not on at all IMO. All it does it decrease the standard of the NRL.
     
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  4. Harry Sack SB Slippy

    Nope. I wanted Hoffman from the start. I argued that having Prince in the halves would see him get better quality ball like when Lockyer used to play. Not to mention he was coming back from injury last year and on top of that got destroyed by Inglis. I actually wanted Norman and Hunt dropped to Qcup to work on their combination and develop as halves. Was never going to happen though.
     
  5. Maroon_Faithful M Faithful

    Well, firstly, I don't particularly care to be told as if I didn't already know that the integrity of the game is important. I don't want it to become a point of tension between us but I'll have to say that if you feel the need to remind me of that again, I'll take it as a pretty intentional slander. The fact is, whether you like it or not, this proclivity is always going on and at more clubs than you might want to acknowledge. You don't like the idea of planning for three years ahead but coaches are constantly putting out weaker teams than they otherwise could, to try new things for 3-6 months down the track. Admittedly for what they see as their best shot come finals time of that year but the fact remains they're weakening their side short term for long term gain. Is this compromising the game's integrity? Hardly.

    And what exactly are the implications entailed by "putting out the best team you can"? You can't possibly hold that as a principle. You wanted Bond, an untested rookie 25-year-old to start in Rd1 for the Broncos. And how many QCup games were you basing that on? That seems hardly any less portentous than my advocation of a bloke who actually had proven himself a FG quality player but was struggling to get over an injury.

    And how does this absolutist principle fit in with Penrith winning the comp in 3 years, as I think you said.
     
  6. Maroon_Faithful M Faithful

    I was talking about the blokes who wanted Norman. None of them wanted to give Hoffman a chance to reproduce what he once was before injury.

    I think it was you, me, and perhaps Jaz that wanted Hoffman from the beginning.:p
     
  7. Mr Fourex MR Fourex

    Hoffman has more of a chance of playing in the halves than JYY does of ever playing in the NRL on the wing again.

    I'm not trying to slate Yow Yeah, it's just that I'm getting sick of reading how our wing problems will be sorted when he comes back.

    He's not coming back....IMHO
     
  8. Mr Fourex MR Fourex

    Bravo !!!
     
  9. Magic AJ Parker

    That's hardly surprising and it doesn't prove your point.

    Barba's not a ball player and those stats don't prove otherwise.
     
  10. Maroon_Faithful M Faithful

    Okay. I'm sort of agreed on that too despite the fabricated stories about him privately resolving himself to never playing NRL again. It doesn't look good is all I guess we can say.
     
  11. Ged GEC King

    I really like Hoffman as a winger or centre. He's not creative enough to be a fullback though. I'd give him first crack at left centre with Reed switching to the right. I'd run with this:

    1. Barba
    2. Copley/ Kahu/ Maranta
    3. Hoffman
    4. Reed
    5. Copley/ Kahu/ Maranta
    6. Milford
    7. Hunt
    8. Hannant
    9. McCullough
    10. McGuire
    11. Gillett
    12. Thaiday
    13. Parker
    14. Kennedy
    15. Glenn
    16. Oates
    17. Granville?

    I'm putting Milford in there as they'd have to be pretty certain of landing him to let Prince and Wallace both go plus Norman. The only other possibility is Karmichael Hunt coming back I suppose. There's talk in AFL land that the Gold Coast Suns are getting to the point where K won't be in their best 22 which could mean him bailing.
     
  12. Alec AD Funkotron

    I'd probably play Thaiday on the wing ahead of Maranta at the moment.
     
  13. Magic AJ Parker

    Geez that looks a light bench, Brisbane should definitely look at picking up a couple of unwanted props for their bench. Georgey Rose wouldn't be a bad signing.
     
  14. Cribbage RG Cribb

    They should use Thaiday exclusively as a front rower next year really. Glenn, Gillett and Oates should have the second row rotation covered and they'll still need that fourth prop.
     
  15. Magic AJ Parker

    Yeh no doubt but it won't happen.
     
  16. Ged GEC King

    Thaiday is such a better edge player though imo.
     
  17. Maroon_Faithful M Faithful

    Still not convinced about Gillett starting. He can't tackle and his best play is as an impact player IMO.
     
  18. Alec AD Funkotron

    I think Gillett has improved defensively since moving to the left. Playing next to Reed is easier than playing next to guys like Prince, Hodges and Maranta.
     
  19. jazman84 JM Eightyfour

    Reckon this may be the go. With Barba chiming in, we have the luxury of playing Glenn/Gillett in the left centre. Reed has to play in his preferred Right centre position seeing Hodges is out for a decent while.

    Granville just got a contract extension, so I assume he is the goto bench Hooker.

    1. Barba
    2. Hoffman
    3. Glenn/Gillett
    4. Reed
    5. Kahu
    6. Milford
    7. Hunt
    8. Hannant
    9. McCullough
    10. McGuire
    11. Glenn/Gillett
    12. Thaiday
    13. Parker

    14. Kennedy
    15. Dodds/Hala
    16. Oates
    17. Granville/Baptiste
     
  20. Harry Sack SB Slippy

    You just know they'll play Oates,Kahu or Copley at centre though
     

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