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  1. stupersteve03 SJ Cambridge

    ta to Maroon Faithful for keeping my brain ticking over btw. This is much more interesting the The Role of Occupational Therapy in Disaster Management and Recovery. And I don't expect to find a whole lot of Intelligent discussion around cricsim on anything other then sport.
     
    stupersteve03, May 5, 2010
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  2. Verigoat S Verigotta

    You shouldnt expect that much tbh
     
    Verigoat, May 5, 2010
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  3. SmellyStuff MP Chung

    I could always regurgitate some pathology for you steve... :wub:
     
    SmellyStuff, May 5, 2010
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  4. stupersteve03 SJ Cambridge

    Isn't that what I said...

    And smelly may regurgitate anything he wants IMO (poor sexual innuendo)
     
    stupersteve03, May 5, 2010
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  5. Maroon_Faithful M Faithful

    So you want abortions to be legal, yes?

    You haven't demonstrated that it is a human being.

    Even if I granted you that it was, let's say an immature human being, it doesn't mean it is wrong to kill it. I'm not interested in discussing how we can apply laws mingled with bronze-age understanding to a blastocyst.
     
    Maroon_Faithful, May 5, 2010
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  6. League Lover L Lover



    AWTA, expected much better.
     
    League Lover, May 5, 2010
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  7. Verigoat S Verigotta

    You said you didnt expect anything intelligent other than sport

    I said you shouldnt even expect that

    They arnt the same thing
     
    Verigoat, May 5, 2010
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  8. League Lover L Lover

    :laugh: they're are plenty of intelligent people on this fourm, sadly, bias can take over sometimes.
     
    League Lover, May 5, 2010
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  9. stupersteve03 SJ Cambridge

    I don't want them to be legal, but I recognize that I am not the moral compass for the country, and that people who do not feel consciously objected to Abortion should not have to be held to my standards just because I believe them, being my moral standards, to be correct.

    And I genuinely believe that I have shown that scientifically speaking it can reasonably be said that it is a human (much more so then it can be said it is not a human). Also I don't see entirely how suggesting murder is wrong is a bronze age understanding. To be completely fair, it must be said that up until mid last century it was still perfectly acceptable to murder an aboriginal in this country. Our current understanding of the laws surrounding murder are very new fashioned, as are our understandings of the value of life.
     
    stupersteve03, May 5, 2010
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  10. stupersteve03 SJ Cambridge

    that's what she said...
     
    stupersteve03, May 5, 2010
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  11. Verigoat S Verigotta

    In my opinion a baby is only living if it is possible for it to survive if it was outside of the womb
     
    Verigoat, May 5, 2010
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  12. stupersteve03 SJ Cambridge

    So you agree with me... Such a cop out answer in my opinion, the technology to reproduce outside the whom is going to get better and better and it will come to a stage where no implantation will be required for a fetus to develop fully.
     
    stupersteve03, May 5, 2010
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  13. Verigoat S Verigotta

    Dont get how im copping out

    Abortion is all good if the thing cant live outside the womb, Its not living, your not murdering a living thing.
    And I dont get the point about the technology, maybe it will get better. But thats not where we are at the moment. This is where we are
     
    Verigoat, May 5, 2010
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  14. League Lover L Lover

    You know, I think that it's fair enough that Steve and the like are saying 'Baby's are living things, abortion is wrong etc' although, whilst I do not know the personal situation I think that one can only truly comprehend both sides of the argument, for and against abortion when they have been in that situation themselves.
     
    League Lover, May 5, 2010
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  15. stupersteve03 SJ Cambridge

    I think people make poor assumptions to believe that I haven't seen it from both sides. But I try and keep the emotional side out of it, exactly for the reason you say. Because no one will get that without seeing it first hand, and very close to you.
     
    stupersteve03, May 5, 2010
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  16. stupersteve03 SJ Cambridge

    My point is this, that the question off when a fetus/embryo can live outside of the womb isn't a set thing. And you will never know because they kill the thing inside the womb, and it was alive at that point in time.
     
    stupersteve03, May 5, 2010
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  17. League Lover L Lover

    I never said you hadn't, I did aknowldege that I dont know the personal side of things etc.

    Tbh, I dont think it's possible to keep emotion out of a topic like this. It's a very emotional thing.
     
    League Lover, May 5, 2010
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  18. Verigoat S Verigotta

    Only problem with just going by, you should only really say something when youve had experience is that quite a lot of peoples experience, will be shaped by others who havnt had the experience.

    Devout Christians will have had it shoved in their faces for a long time that it is wrong to do it. Its a sin. But what if something un expected does happen, and they do get pregnant. Their views are then made by that of the church and them wanting to remain a proper christian no matter if they want to get rid of it

    The ideal situation for each individual matter is Pro-Choice, it not being made illegal and you make up your own mind about it.
    Thats what we are saying, it should be allowed, we arnt forcing a decision on people like the church, everyone should be allowed to decide themselves
     
    Verigoat, May 5, 2010
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  19. Verigoat S Verigotta

    We know when something can live outside the womb and when it 100% can't

    If its terminated after the point where it has chance of it being able to survive then thats wrong as it could live
    If its terminated before this point then theres nothing wrong with it, as its not living
     
    Verigoat, May 5, 2010
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  20. League Lover L Lover

    Honestly I dont think that you can generalise the Churches opinon on this. As far as im aware, it's only the Catholic Church that are completly opposed to abortion.
     
    League Lover, May 5, 2010
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