2014 State Of Origin Game I - Brisbane, May 28

Discussion in 'Matches' started by Maroon_Faithful, May 20, 2014.

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  1. Maroon_Faithful M Faithful

    :laugh: Scraping the bottom of the barrel now...
     
    Maroon_Faithful, May 28, 2014
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  2. Maroon_Faithful M Faithful

    Um, yeah. In the 99th game. Tate won it in Game 3, 2013. Folau won it in Game, 2008. Slater won it Game 2, 2004. Matt Sing Game 3, 2003.
     
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    Maroon_Faithful, May 28, 2014
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  3. Cribbage RG Cribb

    Yeah I thought that too.

    Watmough also good value; he's long odds because he's a bench player but he could really turn the game, then play 60 odd minutes and rack up big stats.

    Both would require NSW actually winning though and I really don't see that. Corey Parker is the smart money there.
     
    Cribbage, May 28, 2014
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  4. Maroon_Faithful M Faithful

    Tate at 51.00 is extremely generous. He's obviously a gun Origin player and has snagged 2 MOTM awards before and could easily have had one more. Like everything with Tate - proven record.
     
    Maroon_Faithful, May 28, 2014
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  5. Magic AJ Parker

    In all seriousness it's the type of message an under 12's coach delivers to his team at half time. "Just get early ball to **insert the huge kiwi kids name**".

    Early ball is irrelevant at this level unless you're a ball player, putting your centre into space, getting him on the outside of his man or isolating him one on one with his centre is how opportunities develop. If QLD are intent on just getting him early ball it'll be with NSW's blessing, gives us enough time to count numbers and slide properly.

    If you want to talk about shit done to the death then "he just needs early ball" was done a long, long time ago. It's up there with "he just needs to run harder".
     
    Magic, May 28, 2014
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  6. Alec AD Funkotron

    When they don't give MOTM to anyone from QLD's spine, they always just go "fuck it" and give it to Myles.
     
    Alec, May 28, 2014
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  7. Maroon_Faithful M Faithful

    MacDougall won it Game 1, 2000. Sailor Game 3, 1999. Carne Game 1, 1994. I'd say wingers have won more awards than any other position bar the halves and hooker.

    Oddly enough the other contender would be prop. If you look at 1980 to the mid 90's the number of awards going to props is just so much more than these days. Not sure why that is.
     
    Maroon_Faithful, May 28, 2014
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  8. Cribbage RG Cribb

    Yep, 100% agree. I've ranted about this before with commentators saying gun centres need early ball. It's bullshit. What they need is quality ball.

    Inglis hasn't got enough ball in the last couple of series for Queensland; they just haven't worked that way enough. This is a genuine and legitimate criticism. It's not about 'early ball' though; he needs to get the ball in two-on-two situations.
     
    Cribbage, May 28, 2014
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  9. Alec AD Funkotron

    NSW always seems to get in his face, early ball seems like the only way to properly get him involved.
     
    Alec, May 28, 2014
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  10. jazman84 JM Eightyfour

    They're missing Lockyer tbh. He used to get Inglis into space quite often. Particularly for the Roos.
     
    jazman84, May 28, 2014
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  11. Alec AD Funkotron

    We have to settle for Thurston.
     
    Alec, May 28, 2014
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  12. Cribbage RG Cribb

    Harrison too.
     
    Cribbage, May 28, 2014
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  13. Maroon_Faithful M Faithful

    Nah I disagree with you and EWS. There's a huge difference between getting him in 2-on-2 situations and getting him in 2-on-2 situations with time before the line. As Alec said, a lot of his play has been stifled precisely because he hasn't had the room. A consequence of this has been QLD's ploy to use him as a decoy and admittedly it's worked well at times. I would simply point out that it's often time before the line that actually creates some of these man-on-man situations.

    So I won't mention the innumerable instances of him beating his opposite or setting up Boyd because I know you and EWS will put most or all of it down to isolation and lateral spacing/positioning rather than time.

    I want to see Thurston take a leaf out of Johns' book. He was the master at it. Nothing doing in the middle? Just hoik it out to Gidley and see if he can manufacture something himself. There aren't many centres who can do it all themselves at rep level but Inglis is certainly one of them. He's just too destructive not to be touching it as often as possible. And it's blatantly obvious to me that though he is probably as good as I've seen, he can take some time to wind up.

    This isn't quality ball really. It's just time and space in front of him. He's completely marked.

    http://youtu.be/Aor6x0BRAp8?t=3m14s
    http://youtu.be/Aor6x0BRAp8?t=2m28s
    http://youtu.be/6gTLeNeYzgw?t=17s
    http://youtu.be/6gTLeNeYzgw?t=30s
    http://youtu.be/6gTLeNeYzgw?t=1m9s
    http://youtu.be/6gTLeNeYzgw?t=1m46s
    http://youtu.be/cwvE6KtiSiE?t=9m2s

    Even when encircled, his power and athleticism are impossible to contain even by quality defenders like Stewart and Scott and Farah. It's precisely why he was so good playing fullback for QLD - Much more time and space in front to get going. It certainly wasn't because he had more lateral space or better positioning.

    There's actually merit in both of these seemingly superfluous or banal comments. I know what you're saying though, and it really isn't the same afaic. One is tactical, the other is psychological. And once again, as you well know I didn't say he "just" needs early ball.
     
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    Maroon_Faithful, May 28, 2014
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  14. Maroon_Faithful M Faithful

    Thurston's a hell of a lot better at getting him into space than Lockyer was.
     
    Maroon_Faithful, May 28, 2014
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  15. Old Mate M Perry

    Incorrect.
     
    Old Mate, May 28, 2014
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  16. Maroon_Faithful M Faithful

    That's because most of the time these fools say it about cunts like Josh Morris or Jack Reed, or Chris Lawrence. And they say it in a way as if all you need to do is just spin it out there whenever you like and they'll make it happen. It's of course silly.

    Inglis however is, I think, self-evidently different. He actually is capable of destroying defences if given the time to wind up. Those videos I posted, none of them with the exception of perhaps one, occurred because Inglis was put in good position by his inside link men. They happened because he's a fucking battle tank on overdrive who can't be stopped once he gets going. Morris cuts down his time and it won't matter how many times Thurston gets him one-on-one. They'll just drive him over the sideline or put him down as Whare did in the Test and as Morris did last year.
     
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    Maroon_Faithful, May 28, 2014
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    Maroon_Faithful, May 28, 2014
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  18. Sultan Pepper HG Emm

    100% agree, getting Inglis early ball is always going to get you a try or two and a few line breaks. That doesn't mean he gets the ball standing still, but he should he doesn't need to be hitting holes or even running a line to be effective.
     
    Sultan Pepper, May 28, 2014
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  19. Sultan Pepper HG Emm

    Any better odds that $2.75 for NSW win out there?
     
    Sultan Pepper, May 28, 2014
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  20. Maroon_Faithful M Faithful

    Time to build up speed, time to fend, time to step. Lateral space helps but direct space is just as vital.
     
    Maroon_Faithful, May 28, 2014
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