Star Wars Mafia: Game Thread

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  1. BoyBlunder BOY Blunder

    Yeah, 2 town left on a night phase = we lose. Sith kills one of us townies leaving 1-1-1 meaning Town cannot remove both you and the Sith.
     
    BoyBlunder, Jun 13, 2012
    #2001

  2. Cribbage RG Cribb

    I've been sitting here trying to figure out what actually did change to make Raide switch his fos from Mr Prez to me, and after thinking some more about this:

    .. the answer was clear. Riddy died, leaving Raide no avenue for the outright solo win. Raide can (and in all likelhood, would) actually still win if we mislynched today, which means he's trying to get me (town) lynched.

    IF WE MISLYNCH, MAFIA AND CULT WILL BOTH WIN

    Let me explain this. I think they're colluding for the shared win.

    Step 1 - Raide gets town lynched. He's randomly turned his fos from Prez to me based on a logical fallacy that he mysteriously didn't have yesterday. He seems 100% convinced that Prez's roleblock is getting changed, with no evidence other than Prez's say-so. The fact that he's now completely convinced in what he says is not really sus as he has to be to stay alive, but the fact that he's swapped targets for no good reason certainly is.

    Step 2 - Prez night-kills Cevno.

    Now at this point Blunder obviously knows Prez is mafia, but we literally can't win no matter what happens here as it'd be impossible for us to "eliminate all non-Jedi".

    Step 3 - Prev and Raide, as part of their colluded deal which I suspect they've organised via PM, both hammer on Blunder, and mafia+cult both share the win.


    It perfectly explains Raide's random swap today. He can still actually win this if we mislynch, so he's trying to get a town lynched. He'd be absolutely mad if he didn't do it - it's the only way he can still win.
     
    Cribbage, Jun 13, 2012
    #2002

  3. Raide KN Rask

    You lynch me and mafia no kills it is still 3-1. You have the exact same information as now and the same odds for mislynching and losing.

    Cevno HAS to be cleared he claimed being blocked and the Prez said he did indeed block him. They can't both be lying there is only one mafia left - they wouldn't be working together.

    That leaves you with Prez and Cribb. Of those two Cribb has more weighing against him - he's been quiet all game, he only appears at the end, it would seem pretty damn OP for the mafia the have a roleblock AND be able to kill. Diverting targets isn't so ridiculous.

    Really with the evidence you have a better chance of Cribb being guilty than Prez atm.
     
    Raide, Jun 13, 2012
    #2003

  4. Cribbage RG Cribb

    Or actually, at 1-1-1, Blunder might even side with Raide, lynch Prez and give him the win. So he could still win by himself as well. That's why he's trying this on.

    Doesn't even need to be collusion at all .. Raide's just figured this out. Lynch town first, then lynch mafia with Blunder.
     
    Cribbage, Jun 13, 2012
    #2004

  5. Mousey AJ Son

    Alright, so I think you've definitely got to lynch Raide tonight. We have to get rid of Jabba and the Sith so getting rid of Jabba is an essential move and it's a better idea than not.

    Lynch Raide
    Blunder- Cribb - Prez
    (2-1, Blunder hammer)

    No lynch
    2 town, 1 sith, 1 Jabba

    Mislynch
    1 town, 1 jabba, 1 sith


    So definitely Raide imo, it's not worth the risk of a mislynch unfort.



    As for my suspicions, I can never trust Cribb, he's too crafty, but Prez has been very, very suss for mine. That said Cribb's claim of no power is meh imo. I'm not sure.


    Either way, town lose and I'm blaming Cribb for being an inactive dire cunt for the days before he's basially been dragged into this thread.
     
    Mousey, Jun 13, 2012
    #2005

  6. Raide KN Rask

    I'M NOT CULT FFS - Cult converts as many as they can - I can only convert Leia who was the someone I had to find.

    "Raide gets town lynched. He's randomly turned his fos from Prez to me based on a logical fallacy that he mysteriously didn't have yesterday."

    I already pointed out that with Riddy converterd and on my side I could have one, so I needed to get rid ofsomeone. Prez had some sus actions that I thought would get him lynched - it did however not work. had i gone FoS on someone else I would have had to justify it and the only way to do that was by outing as Jabba and pointing out that i knew Cevno had indeed been RB

    The coluding with PRez via PM is absured - I'm a third party idiot, I don't side with anyone. Besides I can't communicate with him via PM - not allowed to.
     
    Raide, Jun 13, 2012
    #2006

  7. Raide KN Rask


    Can I actually add to that - Cevno is pretty well cleared he is on the bottom of the list, and I see no reason why he woudln't be clear at this point.

    He, himself, said that Cribb should develop powers as the game progresses, it's what he was told.
     
    Raide, Jun 13, 2012
    #2007

  8. Cribbage RG Cribb

    I was basically just using cult as a synonym for third party. Didn't mean to suggest you were going to recruit other people. Apologies.

    Still, it is absolutely in your best interests to get a town lynched today. It essentially means you win - either by yourself or with Sith. Now I'd suggest that point your fos at me you've confirmed you actually think Prez is mafia, but there are definitely wifom elements to that. :p Either way, nothing you say can really be taken seriously because the only way you win from here is if town gets lynched, and if that happens then you do win.
     
    Cribbage, Jun 13, 2012
    #2008

  9. BoyBlunder BOY Blunder

    I don't buy it.

    The same conclusions can be drawn by lynching Prez last night instead of 11.

    11 kills you
    Raide converts Riddy

    Now we have 2 Jedi and 3 3rd party so together they lynch me and kill Cevno and have a 3rd party win
     
    BoyBlunder, Jun 13, 2012
    #2009

  10. Raide KN Rask

    So recess just ended for me - said I know I'm discussing this at recess xD

    Might be a little bit before I can post again.
     
    Raide, Jun 13, 2012
    #2010

  11. Raide KN Rask

    Sad* I know
     
    Raide, Jun 13, 2012
    #2011

  12. Cribbage RG Cribb

    As I said in my next post though, it doesn't even have to be collusion. Hadn't entirely thought it through when I posted it it.

    If we mislynch tonight, that means we have a Raide/Blunder/mafia situation at the end. If you and Raide decide to hammer on Prez at that point (as I guess you would? Jedi would prefer third party to Sith), it mean Raide wins by himself.

    Let me put it this way: if Raide gets a town lynched today, he can still win. If he gets mafia lynched, then he loses. If that's not enough to disregard whatever position he's taking then I don't know what is.
     
    Cribbage, Jun 13, 2012
    #2012

  13. BoyBlunder BOY Blunder

    I also don't think Mace Windu would turn to the Sith. I'm definitely very suss on Cribb at this stage over Prez.

    I think we can clear Cevno by contradiction.

    If Cevno is sith then his watcher power, not his killing power was roleblocked. Prez as Town then has no reason to deny him roleblocking Cevno or even roleblovking Cevno at all without throwing a massive FoS onto him.
    Cribb as town has no reason to turn Prez's roleblock onto Cevno except by some dire use of self preservation. But that would be stupid because if he suspected Prez then Cevno would watch Leia and find him and Raide.
     
    BoyBlunder, Jun 13, 2012
    #2013

  14. Cribbage RG Cribb

    See I thought that too as I reading it through the first time, but so did Sidious apparently.

    "Sidious had hoped for an apprentice with power, but he did not expect someone like this to betray the Jedi. It made it all so much better"
     
    Cribbage, Jun 13, 2012
    #2014

  15. BoyBlunder BOY Blunder

    The thing is it's just as likely to be him using survival tactics with 11 last night too was my point.

    I don't believe he knows who the Sith is but reckons its you from deduction. So both nights he's plucked names out.
     
    BoyBlunder, Jun 13, 2012
    #2015

  16. Cribbage RG Cribb

    It's in his best interests at the moment to implicate a town as Sith though; that's my point. As such I don't think we can read anything into what he's saying.

    If he correctly identifies the Sith and gets him lynched today, then he'll just get lynched himself tomorrow. If he implicates a town however and gets him lynched instead, we're left with only three tomorrow can Raide can win in two different ways.
     
    Cribbage, Jun 13, 2012
    #2016

  17. BoyBlunder BOY Blunder

    See i initially thought that ruled you out, but then I read back:

    Implies you have a natural talent with the force. It also happened night 2. There is no way that over 7 nights Eds didn't give you at least 1 power. By day 6 (4 days into your time with the town) we were at 7 - 4 as the town. That's not all OP and is only a slight majority. A mislynch there followed by 2 kills at night and its 4 - 4. And if Raide finds Luke it becomes 3-3-2 split which is far from an op town. I just don't buy it.
     
    BoyBlunder, Jun 13, 2012
    #2017

  18. BoyBlunder BOY Blunder

    He still doesn't know who the Sith is imho though, so it definitely doesn't exonerate you.
     
    BoyBlunder, Jun 13, 2012
    #2018

  19. Cribbage RG Cribb

    Oh it doesn't exonerate me at all. Originally I thought he'd have to be colluding but I figured out that wasn't the case. I'm just neutralising his opinion really, rather than trying to take something from it.

    If Raide is playing this well, then it means he thinks I'm town. There is no guarantee he's playing it well though, and even if he is there's no guarantee he's right. I was just pointing out that there was actually a pretty good chance he was going to lie about what he thought, as it helps him if he does.
     
    Cribbage, Jun 13, 2012
    #2019

  20. BoyBlunder BOY Blunder

    I'm off to bed now anyway. Exam tomorrow so might not make it back on for 12 hours or so in that time:
    - Hammer Raide
    - Mafia to not no kill, as we will probably just NL anyway
    - Comment and argue among yourselves and ill read back through it all after my exam to hammer.

    May be on before then but no promises. This is such a mind-fuck, genuinely coming down to complete chance whether we win this or not now, unless anything comes up while i'm asleep :laugh:
     
    BoyBlunder, Jun 13, 2012
    #2020
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