yeh but its no different to the maloney one. maloney ran into the back of sbw and they deemed it a shepherd even though he gave himself up.
Yeah well I really don't think they were the same at all. By the usual interpretation Maloney should not have been penalised. Anyone with common sense though knows that if you're going to run up and knock defenders over when they're trying to defend, you should be penalised. Both were good calls afaic.
I hate those calls, if they give themselves up and don't take the advantage it should be play on in my opinion.
Yeah but that's precisely the point. He didn't. It's like saying Idris is allowed to smash Williams into next week without the ball, because hey, the same thing would've happened if he had received the ball. Yes, but he didn't. It's just open season on everyone who comes anywhere near the ball.
Conversely, it's now open season to just flop to the ground to earn a guaranteed penalty regardless if the player surrenders.
No, I don't think anyone would premeditate a plan to do it, but you notice they usually take particular care to either run through the defensive line or to stop well before it. Defenders should not have to worry about getting run over by blokes who don't even have the ball. If you allow that then any time a line runner comes in proximity to the ball you have to allow defenders to smash him. It has to go both ways.
Agree gents. I strongly disagree that the defender, Idris in this case, should be rewarded for diving as if he was hit by a sniper in the bleaches. The bastard is 6'5", weighs a ton and it nomally takes 3 men to bring him down yet the slightest bump by SBW sends him reeling? Fuck off.
Idris rushed up to take SBW and there's minimal contact before she falls over. Fucking lol at SBW supposedly smashing him. I've heard it all now. Refs already admitted they got it wrong, move on.
Idris was clearly knocked off balance. Size means fuck all if you're pushed off-kilter. He hammed it up a bit when he was on the ground but the contact was not incidental. If you penalise defenders for knocking blokes down without the ball then you have to go both ways. The suggestion that it was a pure dive is ridiculous afaic.
Please that would've never been given as a penalty against a defending player if no advantage was taken. To say the contact was minimal would be an overstatement. Now you know why I didn't engage a discussion.
Well you did engage a discussion and have been for several pages now. But like Idris, you don't really have a leg to stand on. You're complaining about an incident that occurred when Easts should never have had the ball to begin with, for starters. Williams should've been penalised in the previous set. Secondly, if you want to use the referee's admission of mistake i.e. precedent, then you can't complain about Maloney's forearm contacting the ball carrier's head, however accidental. That's been the interpretation for years now. There's no consistency in your argument. SBW knocked Idris over, plain and simple. If you allow option runners to knock defenders over as long as the man using the obstruction doesn't take an advantage then you can't object if Idris decides to down Williams without the ball.
