I just assumed we meant all things considered aside from discipline. Injuries are a part of that then. Although even excluding them I doubt he'd shift much for mine.
at the time. it'd be 12th anyway with the hogan/crouch swap and really he was pick 9 IRL or something in a draft without jaeger/crouch and Viney at 25. had those three been in there they'd have been ahead pushing him down to 12 most likely anyway. The gap between 3-12 is so minimal anyway - all have claims to be top 5-7 in most other drafts (only one I can think of that is an exception is the watts/nicnat/hill/hartlett/hurley/yarran/rich/vickery/ziebell/davis/sidebottom draft)
Grundy was top three all year in mocks/recruiters/everything and then just slid and kept on sliding a month before the draft. He was AA U/18 as a 17 year old, he dominated when the blokes were a year older than him. He's newer to the game than most and had tremendous upside. Plenty described him as the best ruck to come through the system in years. No idea why he slid - but he's definitely a fucking good talent. ridiculous how he went from top 3 to 21 overnight. Darling, Rich, Butcher, Wingard other blokes who went from top 2-3 for most of the year to far less overnight. A case for Mitch Duncan too but he was more early season hype. Vlastuin was touted as #2 at one stage throughout the year though, was ~3-5 before the champs.
I'm spewing now. I almost picked Vlastuin a couple of rounds before he went but didn't have the balls to go it.
I thought the same. Really cooled on him (like most) towards the mid/back end of the year. When you think about it though, the amount of 'vanilla' kids to have ended up superstars is pretty incredible.
It's the same in a lot of sports. They drop because their measurables don't match the others, but they're so good because they understand the game. Mental skills are so important in footy (and other sports), but because they're hard to rate the intangibles are at times overlooked.
It's so much more difficult to turn a gun athlete with poor mentals into a quality sportsman than to develop the physicality of a strong player mentally. Strong game instincts such as anticipation can hide weaknesses in a players game in terms of speed, agility IMO.
Brock McLean to c'. Every time people say he's done he comes back fighting. So, so slow. Not even a great kick or with great movement. But just reads it so well he keeps going.
I don't think we could be further apart. Jeez, you had Hrovat high. Mine was: 1. O'Meara 2. Daniher 3. Grundy 4. Whitfield 5. Viney 6. O'Rourke 7. Garlett 8. Mayes 9. Toumpas 10. Crouch 11. Plowman 12. MacRae 13. Kennedy 14. Wines 15. Vlastuin Had Stringer out at 18. Still major questions about his temperament.
I absolutely love great intelligent players who aren't great athletes, without tooting my own horn I wasn't able to crack NRL as such a player but I basically was a 95-100KG front rower playing 120kg islander dual door fridges through the middle and able to hold my own becuase of technique/agility/instinct to not get dominated To give you an example of what I mean AFL specific - I assume that Ben McGlynn isn't considered a great player but he's probably my favourite Swans player because every time I see him playing he seems to beat taller/stronger/more athletic opponents due to his work ethic and game knowledge and I love seeing him one up more naturally talented guys.
Reckon we're closer to each other than to the recruiters though Both had: Grundy much higher than he ended up, Kennedy much higher than he ended up, Jaeger/Daniher 1/2, Garlett in the top 10, Plowman worse than he ended up, Toumpas worse and Wines worse. Vlastuin & Crouch too I guess We disagreed pretty big time on Hrovat, O'Rourke, Stringer and MacRae though, that's all it seems. I'm big on Hrovat. Having played gaelic football for most of my life to see a kid at 14 take up the game and 3 months later absolutely destroy guys who'd played the gaelic football equivalent of AFL in Ireland (moved to aus due to GFC) was something. Plenty of AFL players have struggled; Darling for one at 17 could only hold his own; not excel. Since then I've followed his progress and perhaps I'm biased - but I've rated everything he's done through the roof. I don't think he'll ever be absolutely elite, but I do think he was always going to be a very good afl player and for pick 8-10 it's worth it.
If it's worth anything - if he were born a few days earlier he'd have been eligible for the Patton draft. He played a good chunk of league SANFL footy and performed well. I just didn't think he had much special to his game and looked to me like he was peaking. He's very much a top ager too - was 19 before his first game etc.