GRAND FINAL - Melbourne Storm VS Canterbury Bulldogs

Discussion in 'Matches' started by KimmorleyKiller, Sep 21, 2012.

  1. Paddy P Orr

    Loved Smiths reaction after he missed that last penalty goal attempt he had.
     
  2. AVA T Delonge

    Nah, I disagree. It wasn't that the ball movement plan wasn't implemented, it was just counteracted by Melbourne's tactics of rushing up. The major setback to that style of defence is the possibility of overlaps, which the Dogs couldn't take advantage of due to the incompetent halves.
     
  3. MASTERS S Masters

    MELBOURNE STORM

    that is all
     
  4. Maroon_Faithful M Faithful

    I know it's customary to blame the halves when a side loses a big game but dude. How can you watch a side play with 30% of the ball, virtually all of it in their own half, for the first 40, and say the halves are responsible for the loss? I don't doubt that Keating and Reynolds should've been throwing more cut-outs, or dabbing grubbers in behind Nielsen and Waqa in the second half but that wasn't where Canterbury lost the match. They lost the middle third. Why were Cameron Smith and Todd Lowrie allowed to make 200m between them? Why was James Graham the only Dogs forward able to break 100m? Melbourne completed at 91% efficiency with 56% of the ball. Andrew Johns isn't beating those numbers when his forwards are getting rolled.

    If you're going to blame Keating and Reynolds for not being able to recoup the lead, then perhaps you should spend a bit of time also criticising those who allowed the lead in the first place. Barba and Kasiano for example, turning over the ball on 3rd tackle in their own half after a mountain of defence, 3 minutes before HT, which lead to O'Neill's try. That's as bad as anything Reynolds and Keating did.
     
  5. Midnight EL Volavola

    i like turtles
     
  6. Alec AD Funkotron

    Frank Pritchard reminds me of Sam Thaiday - lazy cunts'r'us.
     
  7. Lukic L Popovic

    Reynolds was good.

    Keating sucks dick.
     
  8. Tartmaster AJ James

    This.
    They were awesome today, did almost everything well.

    Cunts are just attack junkies.
     
  9. Hunter AD Hunt

    I blame all the gay cunts who froth over Barba, Marshall, Issac Luke, etc.
     
  10. GYR DW Lewis

    I honestly thought Melbourne's amazing defense made the Bulldogs attack look a lot worse than it was. Seriously the cunts were sliding and covering like I have never seen before and from all parts of the field not just on their own goal line. Whenever the dogs would make some headway around mid field the defense would find a way to shut it down. Specifically when Morris made that linebreak down the middle towards the end of the game, it was someone like fucking Brian Norrie who would manage to get him and let the defense recover. I have never seen such a composed defensive line before.
     
    Last edited: Sep 30, 2012
  11. Maroon_Faithful M Faithful

    If there was one major criticism, among several, I would make of the Dogs' attack it would be that they didn't go to Morris enough. Chambers was all over the shop in defence. Both Morris and Barba carved him up but it just didn't happen enough.

    And I can see why some people would've found it a boring game. I think that's mainly borne of feelings of indifference or mild dislike of both teams. At least with Manly last year there was a clear distinction based on hatred. I certainly felt a strange ambivalence about the two sides today that I can't recall having in a big game for quite a while. On the game itself though I enjoyed it. Melbourne were sublime. Completing 32 of 35 sets is just jizzworthy, champagne RL. It's almost impossible to beat a side that completes that well. They produced their best on the big stage and I am in awe of the resilience of their leadership to come back from the heart-break of 07/09. Players like Smith, Cronk and Slater do not deserve to finish their careers without a premiership and I'm glad to see they will not.
     
    Last edited: Sep 30, 2012
  12. AVA T Delonge

    I think you are mistaking what I am saying. I never said that the halves were solely responsible for the loss. The number 1 reason for the loss was their game plan, which Melbourne were able to counteract beautifully. The reason the Dogs lost the middle third is because they move laterally and not up the middle a lot of the time, and Melbourne were able to rush up and stop the lateral movement, resulting in no gain or go forward. And since the skills of the Dogs halves/Barba are based on their running game, it pretty much cut them out of the game without any of the 2nd phase play.

    And that's where I think a more skilled halfback would have come in handy. They needed a half that could direct forwards up the middle (which I think would have made them more ground than going outwards) and kick/pass to the edges when an overlap was created due to the Storm players rushing in.

    Those errors pretty much come down to the tactics of the Dogs that I mentioned in my first post IIRC (I think the Kasiano error was pushing the offload?). Their style of play just wasn't on, and their inability to adapt was what cost them the most. I just think that a better half would have allowed them to actually adapt better to the situation.
     
  13. Paddy P Orr

    None of my comment about it being boring was necessarily directed at Melbourne, they were great defensively, put on some decent shots. I just found the Bulldogs attack to be the bit I was frustrated with watching, Dogs had a few opportunities and kept going the other way, I thought at one point Melbourne on the left were still retreating but the Bulldogs still went to their right. The Dogs attack to me was frustrating to watch as a neutral fan. That was what I found boring, it looked like they had no back up plan as someone put it earlier when their pet plays were not threatening the Storm. I enjoyed the game a bit more towards the final 20 when they started to threaten them with several linebreaks.
     
    Last edited: Oct 1, 2012
  14. GYR DW Lewis

    Yeah I would say the lack of caring for either team would be the only reason for people to not enjoy the game. I thought it was fucking great. The intensity was as good as it gets and having absolute 0 care for either team other than preferring the Dogs to lose, even my heart was fucking racing in the last 10 minutes. If anything the fact that no points were scored in the 2nd half and we still had the game we did just proves how fucking awesome the great game of rugby league is.
     
  15. AVA T Delonge

    Oh, and don't get me wrong MF. Up until today I was in the same boat as you (hating on Cribb for not believing in the halves :p), I just think that today Melbourne showed what Cribb was trying to get at.
     
  16. Maroon_Faithful M Faithful

    Fair enough. Sounded to me you were laying the failure of the gameplan at the feet of the halves. I apologise for misinterpreting.


    Oh I don't doubt a Thurston or Cronk would've taken charge and redirected them better. I think they would've been better off abandoning the lateral play and just going forward but I've thought that for ages and I don't believe it has all that much to do with Keating anywhere but in the opposition red zone.
     
  17. Maroon_Faithful M Faithful

    EWS jumped off that wagon. :p It's not that I believed in the halves. Keating is crap. I just don't think it was the real hindrance to them not winning, and certainly not a justification to say Cronulla were stronger contenders than the Dogs.
     
  18. Maroon_Faithful M Faithful

    Be very interesting to see what Graham cops if found guilty.
     
  19. Farhat AM Farhat

    Brad Morrin copped 8 weeks.
     
  20. Farhat AM Farhat

    Lol wtf. Chambers was so poor in defence. Misread the play many a time. Luckily Waqa was solid. Thought Widdop and Neilsen were excellent in defence.
     

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